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=Scouting Continuous Improvement Discussion= | =Scouting Continuous Improvement Discussion= | ||
Welcome to the FRC Scouting CID! Please feel free to leave any comments or suggestions on information you think should be scouted. This includes pre-event preliminary scouting and at-event match observation & team visitation. Also feel free to comment on layout/user interface possibilities. Please sign your entries (with<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>). | Welcome to the FRC Scouting CID! Please feel free to leave any comments or suggestions on information you think should be scouted. This includes pre-event preliminary scouting and at-event match observation & team visitation. Also feel free to comment on layout/user interface possibilities. Please sign your entries (with<nowiki>--~~~~</nowiki>). | ||
| − | + | ==Current Scouting Metrics== | |
===Preliminary Scouting=== | ===Preliminary Scouting=== | ||
*Team number | *Team number | ||
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The current quick color code system is: "Scary" (e.g. division placers, regional winners/multiple finalists, etc); "Important" (e.g. regional finalists and semifinalists, high draft quarter-finalists); "Notable" (e.g. regional quarter-finalists, multiple engineering award winners); and "Mentionable" (e.g. engineer award winners, high 1114 and/or W-L-T stats). Examples are very general and anything from some CD posts to incongruous 1114 stats can affect a team's code. The colors shouldn't replace carefully studying the rest of the scouting material. | The current quick color code system is: "Scary" (e.g. division placers, regional winners/multiple finalists, etc); "Important" (e.g. regional finalists and semifinalists, high draft quarter-finalists); "Notable" (e.g. regional quarter-finalists, multiple engineering award winners); and "Mentionable" (e.g. engineer award winners, high 1114 and/or W-L-T stats). Examples are very general and anything from some CD posts to incongruous 1114 stats can affect a team's code. The colors shouldn't replace carefully studying the rest of the scouting material. | ||
==Planned Scouting Metrics (IRI)== | ==Planned Scouting Metrics (IRI)== | ||
| − | *Preliminary: Hanging | + | *Preliminary: Hanging Ability (and record?) |
| − | + | *Average Score & Winning Margin from Last Regional | |
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| + | ==Suggested Changes== | ||
| + | [Siri:] | ||
| + | ===Preliminary Scouting=== | ||
| + | *Add average score & winning margin from last regional | ||
| + | :Rationale: Separates the lucky-to-be-picked quarter-finalists from the unlucky-to-lose quarter-finalists, arguably even better than draft order. | ||
| + | *Drop all but last regional & championship performances, including average | ||
| + | :Rationale: The next competition is in July, I don't much care how teams did at their first regional in March. Does anyone use these stats anymore? | ||
| + | *Add whatever possible about major off-season competitions | ||
| + | :Rationale: This information is more current. Problem: Inconsistency/misinterpretation of data, especially for competitions we don't know (very likely with IRI teams). | ||
| + | *Add notes on hanging ability (and record?) | ||
| + | :Rationale: This is proves important, not just for knowing how well an alliance member can hang, but for guessing what opponents will do in the finale. | ||
| + | *Add scoring and defending ability from each zone (in auton & teleop for former) from prior competitions | ||
| + | :Rationale: exceedingly helpful, but subjective and ''really'' hard to find from 72 teams across the world. | ||
| + | *Drop recent (non-2010) award results, except for those who present as good for networking/advice. | ||
| + | :Rationale: This was the original purpose of the category, which has sort of spiraled into less-usefulness. | ||
| + | ::Suggested Awards to List: Chairman's, Autodesk Design, Engineering Inspiration, Entrepreneurship, Website | ||
| + | ===Match Observation=== | ||
| + | *Ball manipulation ability | ||
| + | :Rationale: Same as above, but way easier to do on-site for a given competition. We should do this! (and keep the records!) | ||
| + | ::*Number of balls scored from each zone in teleop (Priority 1) & auton (P2) | ||
| + | ::*Number of balls cleared over ''n'' bumps in teleop (P3) & auton (P4) | ||
| + | *Defense ability & tactics | ||
| + | :Rationale: Same as above. We should do this too! | ||
| + | ::*Defensive strategy (clear balls, block bots, push, stuff in goal, whatever) (P5) | ||
| + | ::*Defensive success (did it work? number of balls scored on them, etc) (P5) | ||
| + | *Autonomous success/tactics (do they move? what pattern(s)? if they don't score, how close are they?) (P6) | ||
| + | *Ease/speed on bump (P7) & tunnel (P9) | ||
| + | :Rationale: Helpful when they're trying to come to your rescue. More helpful when they're trying to shut you down. | ||
| + | *Hanging success (P8) & approximate time (P10) | ||
| + | :Rationale: Same as hanging stats. | ||
| + | *Starting Zone (P11) | ||
| + | :Rationale: Helpful to know for opposing teams when selected allied starting zones. | ||
| + | *Major zone changes/ending zone (P12) | ||
| + | :Rationale: Fewer surprises to prepared alliance strategy. | ||
| + | ====Requirements==== | ||
| + | *''n'' trained & observant scouts per match. ''n''=6 for P1-P12, 3+ for P1-P5 | ||
| + | *Easy-to-use (preferably without looking) UI | ||
| + | *Easy-to-operate database/readout | ||
| + | ===Pit Scouting=== | ||
| + | *Ball manipulation methods | ||
| + | :Rationale: There's no such thing as too much benchmarking! | ||
| + | *Kicking methods & drivetrains | ||
| + | :Rationale: ...Still can't have too much benchmarking. | ||
| + | *Tangential Award Success (Chairman's, Autodesk, Website, EI, Entrepreneurship) | ||
| + | :Rationale: Always room for improvement (and making friends) | ||
| + | *Driver Experience | ||
| + | :Rationale: Big factor at many off-seasons, it's definitely good to know when and if the experienced drivers step up to the controls. | ||
| + | *Current changes/improvements | ||
| + | :Rationale: This is subjective (and sometimes embellished), but things do change fast in FIRST. Helps to have an idea of where to look hardest. | ||
| + | --[[User:Siri|Siri]] 18:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
| + | ==Available Scouting Metrics (Not Currently in Use)== | ||
| + | ===Preliminary Scouting=== | ||
| + | *(FIRST) Location | ||
| + | *(FIRST) Photo and colors (some) | ||
| + | *(FIRST) Full Team Name | ||
| + | *(FIRST) Qualification Win-Loss-Tie Record by Regional | ||
| + | *(FIRST) Total Qualification W-L-T Record | ||
| + | *(FIRST) Seeding Score by Regional | ||
| + | *(FIRST) Coopertition Bonus by Regional | ||
| + | *(FIRST) Hanging Points by Regional (note: names can be deceiving. 1640's hanging score was 4.00 at Drexel--pretty good for a robot without a hanging apparatus that never used a ramp in competition.) | ||
| + | *(FIRST) Qualification Matches Played by Regional | ||
| + | *(FIRST) Individual Match Results by Regional | ||
| + | *(FIRST) All Awards by Regional and by Team | ||
| + | *(2834) Average Winning Margin Per Match by Field | ||
| + | *(2834) Calculated Contribution to Winning Margin by Regional | ||
| + | *(2834) Overall CCWM | ||
| + | *(2834) CCWM Regional Rank | ||
| + | *(2834) CCWM World Rank | ||
| + | *(2834) Average Score per Match | ||
| + | *(2834) Offensive Power Rating by Regional | ||
| + | *(2834) OPR Regional Rank | ||
| + | *(2834) OPR World Rank | ||
| + | *(1114) Team's Average Offensive Score | ||
| + | *(1114) Regional's AOS | ||
| + | *(1114) AOS Regional Rank & Percentile | ||
| + | *(1114) AOS Champions' Rank & Percentile | ||
| + | *(1114) AOS World Rank & Percentile | ||
| + | *(1114) All of above 1114 with Calculated Contribution, Seeding Score & Average Defensive Score | ||
| + | *(Theoretical) It's theoretically possible to derive a team's average penalties, hanging bonuses & goals from the Twitter feed, but I don't know how to do this (even if we wanted the information). --[[User:Siri|Siri]] 18:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC) | ||
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[[Category:DEWBOT VI]] | [[Category:DEWBOT VI]] | ||
Revision as of 18:02, 7 June 2010
Scouting Continuous Improvement Discussion
Welcome to the FRC Scouting CID! Please feel free to leave any comments or suggestions on information you think should be scouted. This includes pre-event preliminary scouting and at-event match observation & team visitation. Also feel free to comment on layout/user interface possibilities. Please sign your entries (with--~~~~).
Current Scouting Metrics
Preliminary Scouting
- Team number
- Team nickname
- Team website (hyperlink, digital versions only)
- Rookie year
- Number and names of previous official competitions (divisions separate from Einstein) this season
- Number of team attending each of the above
- Performance and engineering awards this season, including multiplicities
- Draft order for each elimination placing
- Team 1114 Stats for last regional this season
- Calculated Contribution (World Percentile)
- Average Offensive Score (World Percentile)
- Seeding Score (World Percentile)
- Average Defensive Score (World Percentile)
- Win-loss-tie, absolute & percentile (100% high) rank for each official competition this season
- Recent awards
- names listed for 2 years before current season,
- or for perennial winners, numerical award:years ratio back to 2001 or rookie year (whichever is later)
- Average awards/year for latter
- Notes
The current quick color code system is: "Scary" (e.g. division placers, regional winners/multiple finalists, etc); "Important" (e.g. regional finalists and semifinalists, high draft quarter-finalists); "Notable" (e.g. regional quarter-finalists, multiple engineering award winners); and "Mentionable" (e.g. engineer award winners, high 1114 and/or W-L-T stats). Examples are very general and anything from some CD posts to incongruous 1114 stats can affect a team's code. The colors shouldn't replace carefully studying the rest of the scouting material.
Planned Scouting Metrics (IRI)
- Preliminary: Hanging Ability (and record?)
- Average Score & Winning Margin from Last Regional
Suggested Changes
[Siri:]
Preliminary Scouting
- Add average score & winning margin from last regional
- Rationale: Separates the lucky-to-be-picked quarter-finalists from the unlucky-to-lose quarter-finalists, arguably even better than draft order.
- Drop all but last regional & championship performances, including average
- Rationale: The next competition is in July, I don't much care how teams did at their first regional in March. Does anyone use these stats anymore?
- Add whatever possible about major off-season competitions
- Rationale: This information is more current. Problem: Inconsistency/misinterpretation of data, especially for competitions we don't know (very likely with IRI teams).
- Add notes on hanging ability (and record?)
- Rationale: This is proves important, not just for knowing how well an alliance member can hang, but for guessing what opponents will do in the finale.
- Add scoring and defending ability from each zone (in auton & teleop for former) from prior competitions
- Rationale: exceedingly helpful, but subjective and really hard to find from 72 teams across the world.
- Drop recent (non-2010) award results, except for those who present as good for networking/advice.
- Rationale: This was the original purpose of the category, which has sort of spiraled into less-usefulness.
- Suggested Awards to List: Chairman's, Autodesk Design, Engineering Inspiration, Entrepreneurship, Website
Match Observation
- Ball manipulation ability
- Rationale: Same as above, but way easier to do on-site for a given competition. We should do this! (and keep the records!)
- Number of balls scored from each zone in teleop (Priority 1) & auton (P2)
- Number of balls cleared over n bumps in teleop (P3) & auton (P4)
- Defense ability & tactics
- Rationale: Same as above. We should do this too!
- Defensive strategy (clear balls, block bots, push, stuff in goal, whatever) (P5)
- Defensive success (did it work? number of balls scored on them, etc) (P5)
- Autonomous success/tactics (do they move? what pattern(s)? if they don't score, how close are they?) (P6)
- Ease/speed on bump (P7) & tunnel (P9)
- Rationale: Helpful when they're trying to come to your rescue. More helpful when they're trying to shut you down.
- Hanging success (P8) & approximate time (P10)
- Rationale: Same as hanging stats.
- Starting Zone (P11)
- Rationale: Helpful to know for opposing teams when selected allied starting zones.
- Major zone changes/ending zone (P12)
- Rationale: Fewer surprises to prepared alliance strategy.
Requirements
- n trained & observant scouts per match. n=6 for P1-P12, 3+ for P1-P5
- Easy-to-use (preferably without looking) UI
- Easy-to-operate database/readout
Pit Scouting
- Ball manipulation methods
- Rationale: There's no such thing as too much benchmarking!
- Kicking methods & drivetrains
- Rationale: ...Still can't have too much benchmarking.
- Tangential Award Success (Chairman's, Autodesk, Website, EI, Entrepreneurship)
- Rationale: Always room for improvement (and making friends)
- Driver Experience
- Rationale: Big factor at many off-seasons, it's definitely good to know when and if the experienced drivers step up to the controls.
- Current changes/improvements
- Rationale: This is subjective (and sometimes embellished), but things do change fast in FIRST. Helps to have an idea of where to look hardest.
--Siri 18:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Available Scouting Metrics (Not Currently in Use)
Preliminary Scouting
- (FIRST) Location
- (FIRST) Photo and colors (some)
- (FIRST) Full Team Name
- (FIRST) Qualification Win-Loss-Tie Record by Regional
- (FIRST) Total Qualification W-L-T Record
- (FIRST) Seeding Score by Regional
- (FIRST) Coopertition Bonus by Regional
- (FIRST) Hanging Points by Regional (note: names can be deceiving. 1640's hanging score was 4.00 at Drexel--pretty good for a robot without a hanging apparatus that never used a ramp in competition.)
- (FIRST) Qualification Matches Played by Regional
- (FIRST) Individual Match Results by Regional
- (FIRST) All Awards by Regional and by Team
- (2834) Average Winning Margin Per Match by Field
- (2834) Calculated Contribution to Winning Margin by Regional
- (2834) Overall CCWM
- (2834) CCWM Regional Rank
- (2834) CCWM World Rank
- (2834) Average Score per Match
- (2834) Offensive Power Rating by Regional
- (2834) OPR Regional Rank
- (2834) OPR World Rank
- (1114) Team's Average Offensive Score
- (1114) Regional's AOS
- (1114) AOS Regional Rank & Percentile
- (1114) AOS Champions' Rank & Percentile
- (1114) AOS World Rank & Percentile
- (1114) All of above 1114 with Calculated Contribution, Seeding Score & Average Defensive Score
- (Theoretical) It's theoretically possible to derive a team's average penalties, hanging bonuses & goals from the Twitter feed, but I don't know how to do this (even if we wanted the information). --Siri 18:02, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
